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twisted twins Attitude You are right and your attitude was not bad. This is my fault. I should not have used you and/or your post to target other person(s). I apologize for what I have done. Buddhism With respect to your comment/analysis about Buddhism, I have no further comment. I think what we ...閱讀更多

十三點 Why don't you also share your views?

小花生 //"諸惡莫作, 眾善奉行"係佛教一大教義// Let’s assume "諸惡莫作, 眾善奉行" is one of Gautama Siddartha’s teaching and have the same importance as noble truths and fat yans. Can you share how to define 善 and 惡 in Buddhism? And what would 行善 accomplish? Is a better reincarnation considered a Buddhist 善果? Which one of 悟 ...閱讀更多

First, let me restate my statement. “In my opinion, Buddhism is not a religion which 導人向善”. In fact, this topic was argued before under another thread “不能殺生？”. Allan, 小花生 and the like had taken part in it. Nevertheless, in order to facilitate any further discussion/argument, I am obliged to share m...閱讀更多

//是人的問題，是教會的問題，不是宗教的問題．// Up to now, I think the war is something between the 2 (or more) countries. Maybe, there is also some personal agenda (which I am not sure). But, it is nothing about religion and churches. If one really wants to escalate the issue, please condemn human being as a whole for w...閱讀更多

宗教大部份都係導人向善 (2) What a shame! I missed the most important word "not". In my opinion, I think Buddhism is not one of them.

宗教大部份都係導人向善 In my opinion, I think Buddhism is one of them.

十三點 James Bond once said, "Never say never!"

( a ) //各國的元首必須倚靠神的智慧和引導來執行他們的職權，不可倚靠、信任自己的判斷和軍力。 // 李老師早在講述其「賦能進路」(…我們要不要接受某某思想, 最終還是要建基於我們自己的判斷…) 的時候, 已刺穿、擊破了諸如上段引文所含的主張：這種主張暗藏了「自我推翻」的謬誤------如果//不可倚靠、信任自己的判斷//, 那麼我們也不可以信任自己判斷什麼是//神的智慧//, 甚至不可以信任自己判斷是否要接受//不可倚靠、信任自己的判斷//這個判斷了! I think what “…必須倚靠神的智慧…不可倚靠、信任自己的判斷…” means 1) if there is any conf...閱讀更多

//布殊是宗教霸權的極致// I am confused. Is 宗教霸權 a problem of a religion or a problem of a person?

Ms Ng is joking again. Soros is that type of person HK people hate most (although I want to be one). Who is going to take his view seriously?

//何況, Hume 和 Descartes 是會死的人, 而且已死了. 而李先生會不會死, 仍是未知之數. 邏輯上, 李先生是不一定會死的. 信仰上, 李先生更是不死的. // Brilliant!

//假如有一日, 中國獨大, 或許也會如今日的美國般, 事事過問, 自封世界警察.// Why 假如? 中國 had been 獨大 before. How did it treat her neighboring countries then? In fact, what does 中國 “the Middle Kingdom” mean? In addition, rumors said even when the new 中國 has not been 獨大 enough, she, like the late USSR, has tried to export Communism ...閱讀更多

To ! //有目共睹的是 : JPY的討論態度是很好的,很值得欣賞的.// I appreciate your appreciation. //<思辯隨筆>(in<<李天命的思考藝術>>)// But, I would appreciate it even more if you could share some more.

To andycool I think you get lost from what we are talking. Should we start it over? First, there are some (probably some Christians) claiming that there is one being (probably their God) who is omnipotent, without giving any valid proof. Then, there are some others (probably some atheists) claiming...閱讀更多

To andycool Just before I turn off my PC, I find this post. //自己鬧自己,黐線. // This is real life experience. I have been scolded like this before. //成日叫人prove,自己又prove過D乜? // You are right. I didn’t prove anything. I am challenging those who claim they have proven something. If I want to prove anythi...閱讀更多

To ! //硬是不懂什麼叫做"不當預設的謬誤"! // You may be right! Please tell me more!

A Simulation Before this argument is closed (as urged by 翔), why don’t we simulate the debate once again? A: Can an omnipotent being create an unliftable stone? B: Before answering this, I need to know whether omnipotence includes the ability to alter rules in logics. A: What do you mean by altering...閱讀更多

To 陌上花, the cheerleader Let’s do it together. 3 cheers to 翔 ,Theodore and andycool! Hip, hip, Hurrah!

To theodore //答:你今日食左飯未?// I think you don’t expect to have a detail discussion/argument with me. But your joke is interesting and sounds like a Sim’s story! When you have time, share some more!

To andycool //你說我無情似乎較為恰當.// I think 無情 is an appropriate mood for discussion and/or argument. Never get personal! //personal attacks?若如此則網編必會有所行動// 網編 is a kind person. He/she/they even allow(s) 『壯陽教』. To me, I can’t argue with this type of persons. //邏輯超效域// Very innovative! But, I think you don...閱讀更多

To 翔 First, I have to admit that your post last night did scare me a bit because it was filled with terms I don’t rather understand. However, after reading and thinking it over and over, I realized what you wrote is actually nothing more than confirming the proclamation of “「邏輯無效域」 does not exist” i...閱讀更多

To 飛雪 It seems that they are not interested in your topic very much. Maybe, yours is a bit too technical while they prefer easier topic.

To 飛雪 Sorry for distracting your original discussion.

To 翔 Thank you for your input. I think you are trying to prove “邏輯無效域 does not exist” and I guess the key is “只要我們對邏輯的特性有足夠的了解的話, 這不難看出”邏輯無效域”其實是犯了偽語意投射的毛病, 是沒有意義的說法.” To me, it is rather 難 to 看出”邏輯無效域”其實是犯了偽語意投射的毛病. Please further elaborate.

Some other supplements //我要強調的是在我們的討論中誰所說的違反邏輯就是錯,誰說的不合理就是不合理.不能隨便說什麼「邏輯無效域」就以為自己可以違反邏輯而沒錯.// I think I haven’t 違反邏輯 myself. What I did is asking whether the omnipotent being, if any, has the ability to alter rules in logics (which you may answer “yes” or “no”) and/or demanding a valid proof of the...閱讀更多

To Andycool Thank you for your reply especially when it was posted on about 4 o’clock in the morning. However, it seems that you are quite angry (am I right?) and the tone of your message is not very friendly. To me, so far, it is still okay but please be reminded to control yourself. One can only...閱讀更多

//李天命... 己經把"全能論" (and all other problems) 從根拔起, 砍成殘屑...// It seems that this argument can be used in any topic and sufficient by itself. I guess it must be omnipotent and be able to create ... //...睬他都傻,但你還是這麼有耐性給他講解...,不單好脾氣, 而且好心腸, 在下真的（絕非講反話）十分佩服... // This is less frequently used but I was touc...閱讀更多

To S.C. //小弟搬家在即﹐... 又要...話別﹐所以大概要到三月才能再貼文章。// So sorry to learn that you are leaving. 三月? Who knows what will happen by then?

May I join the discussion? First of all, I don’t think there is a clear definition about omnipotence in the Bible. Thus, why don’t we restrict our discussion over the issue of whether omnipotence is possible, instead of whether an omnipotent God is possible? //在討論之先,首先要聲明一點.就算//上帝能做一切邏輯上可能的事並且能做邏輯上...閱讀更多

Rayman & 『壯陽教』 //I won't be ashamed to do that.// So my guess is correct. Have you shared your 『壯陽教』 with your parents, brothers & sisters, your teachers, your most intimate friends and any other persons you love. What did they say?

"Don't Big"

Rayman & 『壯陽教』 I have met many atheists and you are a very special one. My advice to you is, Keep a copy of what you wrote about 『壯陽教』 and share it with your parents, brothers & sisters, your teachers, your most intimate friends & any other persons you love. I guess you won't feel ashamed.

Like Buddhism, when one wants to know more about Taoism, different people will give you different answers.

jpy打字真快!! 似乎.... No, I have spent days in preparing those.

//信宗教, 是相信可以從中得到好處.// It depends on how to define 好處. If the definition is very general, then all human actions should be associated with some 好處. Examples, 1. I love my parents because they have done so much to me. 2. I treat my siblings well because I am afraid that my parent will scold me. 3. I ...閱讀更多

//如果真的發現有外星生物，而”他”們比我們更文明的話．．．那麼對聖經會有什麼的影響呢？// It depends on 1. whether they have the same origin as us; and 2. whether they belong to another species. For point 1, it is like when the European first discovered America where there was already some Red Indies. For point 2, does monkey need salvation ...閱讀更多

//科學訴諸理性，講求証据，宗教需耍緣分，訴諸情感。// //科學可被否證// Don’t mix up science with rationality. Maybe, some religions like Christianity are not a branch of Science but whether it is reasonable is another issue. Examples, 1. 地球以外有更高等的生物存在。 2. 科學訴諸理性，講求証据，宗教需耍緣分，訴諸情感。 3. 信宗教, 是相信可以從中得到好處. Are the above 3 statements s...閱讀更多

Eyes Wide Shut 1. the scene in the secret party when everybody was fXXking 2. the scene of the dream of having sex with many people Don’t be disappointed like myself. In the movie, the 2 scenes above are merely spoken out but not acted. BTW, personally, I think the movie has not been completed yet. ...閱讀更多

To 13 points Nice to meet you here. Why don't you share what your hobbies are? Mine, as said under another thread, are sleeping and watching TV.

The English Patient 1. the most impressive: the sex in the ballroom in front of the woman’s husband 2. the saddest: a lovely woman waited to die gradually and painfully in darkness alone with the slimmest hope gone 3. the most disappointed: the detail of the struggle whether to betray one’s own coun...閱讀更多

To 十三點 My processing power has been exhausted in arguing and cannot support on-line chatting any more. Anyway, thank you for asking. You are so user-friendly.

Can I share my favorites? HK Films 1. Mongkok Kar Mun – the best film so far of Wong Ka Wai 2. When Banana is Ripe II – an UFO production 3. New Endless Love – a feminist film by Yee Tung Shing 4. Once upon a time in China – a new perspective of HK kung fu movie by Tsui Hark 5. King of Comedy –Chow ...閱讀更多

To: 十三點 & Li Ho Fan Hello! Sorry for missing your posts.

//JPY ，再續，欠你一些答案，如果你有興趣的話// Why don't we start a new topic? What hobbies do you have? The hobby I practise most (apart from sleeping) is watching TV. I am waiting an important EPL game.

//What a wonderful debate you have here. I don’t think you are 笨蛋. I think you are already making some progress; at least it is easier than talking to JPY.// The feeling is great to know that I am always in somebody’s mind but it is too sad to realize the real reason why SC quit our quarrel without ...閱讀更多

//關於「原罪」問題，小孩所持的觀點可能和教會主流有不同// I think your explanation is the traditional viewpoint. What is the viewpoint from 教會主流? From my observation, those who think 原罪 is merely the act of eating the fruits from the tree of knowledge of good and evil are mostly non-christians. //為甚麼偏離神的旨意，就成為罪？// First, what...閱讀更多

To Allan Frankly, I think you don't know too much about Buddhism. I just wonder how you can be inclined to Buddhism and use it to compare with Christianity. Up to now, I think I haven't say anything against Buddhism. So, don't bother to defend it. To 小花生 //阿彌陀佛// What does it mean? I heard that i...閱讀更多

One more question To Allan //於中國結合道教學說而成禪宗// Do you mean that Buddhism evolved in China is not the original Buddhism?

To Allan //善有善報，惡有惡報，若然未報，時辰未到 // I don’t think it is Buddhist teaching but some traditional thought. In fact, what is 善報? How about being born in a small but wealthy and peaceful kingdom as a prince with caring parents and pretty wife? But, is this what Buddhists aim at? //未夠，還要行善，也要修行至悟境，又要視乎前世...閱讀更多

Sorry, the following should be amended. 2. suffering ends whenever “sudden enlightenment” occurs but until when one dies or “nip poon”; 2. suffering ends whenever “sudden enlightenment” occurs but not after one dies or “nip poon”;

To Allan, //佛教善惡不分，所以不是好宗教 // What is the role of 善惡 in Buddhism? Being able to recognize 善惡, can one end his suffering? In fact, to some Buddhists, 善惡 (like hatred, love and greed) is just another preoccupation, which will increase (but not reduce) suffering. //佛教只是一堆人生哲理，不算是宗教 // It depends on h...閱讀更多

To Mike Butler Thank you for your effort of summarizing the 4 noble truths. However, I think there is room for improvement. In particular, when you attempted to explain how suffering could be ended by mediation, you seem to deviate from the teaching of Nip Poon Chik Ching. Also, when you explained t...閱讀更多

三法印: 諸行無常印、諸法無我印、涅槃寂靜印 Let's put a bookmark here!

Relax! I haven’t started challenging yet. Before that, I think we need to clarify what Buddhism is all about first so that we have a foundation to discuss, debate and/or argue. Up to now, I think I haven’t shown any disrespect (although I didn’t show any respect either) to Buddhism. Nevertheless, ...閱讀更多

//四聖諦是苦, 集, 「滅」, 道。// The version I heard before is (I am not sure about the exact wording) 1. Chu Hang Mou Sheung; 2. Chu Fat Mou Or; 3. Yat Chai Kai Fu; and 4. Nip Poon Chik Ching I think there should be a fifth one but I can’t remember it at all. Simply recalling the terms doesn’t help much. Ela...閱讀更多

To S.C. //basic knowledge of logic// You still miss my query of what impact omnipotence may have over the basic knowledge of logic. //If S.C. is black and non-black, my indirect proof of S.C. being not "black and non-black" will be unsound (although you agree this is a sound argument). An unsound ar...閱讀更多

History, Mathematics & Languages I think this will be another prolonged discussion. But, it is late now and I have to go to bed. Good night!

四聖諦, 苦, 集, 減, 道 This is not the version I heard before. I think each truth comprises 4 Chinese characters.

To 征服者 Thank you for your response. In my opinion, this seems not constituting a proof to enable us to know instead of to believe. However, you may be right while I am wrong. By the way, it is just a minor distraction.

Four Noble Truths Please share more! However, frankly, my intention is to challenge them (when I have time). No kidding!

To 小花生 I agree with you that Buddhism is not a religion. There is not a supergod and there is no one who can help except yourself. That is why I am so frustrated with question like which one of Jesus and Buddha is a greater god. By the way, have you heard about the "5 Truths" (or 6 Truths) suggest...閱讀更多

//究竟人死後到審判前處身那一個地獄?? // Sorry for missing this question! But this is a very technical question. I really have no idea but I doubt whether the Bible has clearly indicated this. In fact, even the concept of hell itself is not very well-defined in the Bible. I suspect it is a Buddhist or Hindus conc...閱讀更多

Another Distraction! //大家最好不要因為某人很偉大或其他原因, 而全盤接收他的思想. 可以做到獨立思考, 不論古代或現代都是一個很重要的思想方法. // Agree! But how to remove prejudice(s) to ensure independent thinking?

//是我們知道的科學事實 // How to know (or prove)?

方舟子, 進化論虛妄嗎？ I think we have discussed this before under another tread? What is the conclusion?

Sorry for Distraction! //因為花密和水果是植物做出來給其他生物食,以達到一些目的的東西 // Is this an idea we believe or an idea we know?

Happy New Year! 佛教比較可愛的地方是, 當有人質疑佛教教義時, 沒有人會第一時間撲出來護教, In order to share its loveliness, I would like to defend Buddhism. (In case there are Buddhists who don’t agree with me, please share your views with us.) First, “life” in Buddhism has a different meaning from what we learnt from school. From a...閱讀更多

To Everyone I wish everybody a prosperous and happy new year! To S.C. Sorry for replying late. I am just too lazy during this Christmas. Let’s go back to our discussion. //1. If A, God is able to make a stone S such that He is unable to lift. Since He is able to make S but he is unable to lift S, s...閱讀更多

To S.C. The following is your argument, isn’t it? 1. If God is able to make stone he is unable to lift (“A”), he is unable to lift all stones he is able to make (“~B”), so he is not omnipotent (“~C”); and 2. If God is unable to make stone he is unable to lift (“~A”), he is not omnipotent (“~C”). Imp...閱讀更多

To Allan //我永遠等你// This is too sweet. I hope we may start the discussion one day.

To S.C., 1. If God cannot create a stone which He cannot lift up,... He is not omnipotent; or 2. If God cannot lift up a stone He created, He is not omnipotent. I am quite impressed by your attempt to present the stone dilemma out of the context of “Reduction to Absurdity”. I understand that this i...閱讀更多

To Benson, For your last 2 posts, can I summarize as follows? You claimed that, 1. my suggestion to add new feature the stone in question is unreasonable because it is a task that normal beings are not able to achieve; and 2. I have “changed” since I have changed my stance from insisting omnipotenc...閱讀更多

To Allan, I am afraid that I cannot start a new discussion/argument with you (at least for the time being). Indeed, I have tried but I found that I just couldn’t explain your queries in a few paragraphs. Maybe, next time when we have time and/or energy, we can examine them one after one.

Headache Believe it or not, having taking a rest of about one week (I didn’t even turn on my PC), I got headache almost immediately after I came back here. I guess I would not come back as frequently as I used to be.

To Others (in particular, Allan & Benson) Sorry! I am rather exhausted. Can I continue later?

To S.C. //The negative team's counter-proof is like this: If N is adequate, then JPY's proof A must be inadequate.// But my A is not like the above one. First, in my A, the presumption of omnipotence I applied once again is also the premise of N, while N in the above counter-proof is not the premis...閱讀更多

To 雲起 You do it again. You successfully seduced me to talk to you again. But, you really ask a good question. //Why not personal?//

To Benson Question 2: //Take a look at (b) carefully. It’s not “to show that a proposition is logically possible”, it is “to show that a proposition is logically possible IF it is true”.// No, you got it wrong. (b) means the condition of being self-contradiction as derived in your analysis will not...閱讀更多

To S.C. Sorry, I missed one of your questions. //Now I give a proof like this: Assume 1+1>2, then JPY's conclusion "1+1 is not greater than 2" must be false.// No, I didn’t do what you said. Instead, I said, if 1+1>2 is true as what you said, the self-contradiction as suggested in your analysis wil...閱讀更多

To S.C. Thank you for fostering a good discussion atmosphere. Let’s have a brief review. I am not obsessed with the term omnipotence. It is not from the Bible and yet its implication is unclear. Nevertheless, God doesn’t have to be omnipotent to be almighty. Going back to the term omnipotence, I ...閱讀更多

To S.C. Thank you for your warm welcome. I am not trying to conclude “omnipotence is possible”. I am trying to conclude “if omnipotence is possible, the omnipotent being can create, lift up and add …”

To Benson Thank you for your willingness to answer my questions first. 1. You said you understand I am not to prove the omnipotence of God but now you accuse me of trying to prove the omnipotence of God. Why? 2. Do you know the difference between a. To prove God is omnipotent; and b. To show there ...閱讀更多

I remember that there are someone who used this before as a closing. "I go to sleep now!"

To Allan Thank you for your interest. As I said, I can only handle argument one after one. I am too old already. How about let me settle with Benson first? Nevertheless, do you think we need to have a mutual understanding of what Evolution Theory is all about before we can have a discussion and/or...閱讀更多

To Benson You mentioned that you don’t understand what I wrote. I have a similar problem. I have to skip many irrelevant points before I got what you mean. So, maybe both of us have problem in writing. Having finished some irrelevant rituals, let me check whether I misunderstand your points first...閱讀更多

To 雲起 You are that kind of person I don't know how to deal with. What else can I say? BTW, do you think Solano will start tonight. He said he wanted to quit Newcastle.

To 一木 Thank you for your appreciation.

To 一木 Why did God create human beings? This is a very challenging question. As far as I know, the Bible does not directly explain why God created this world (and all creatures including human beings). However, in Genesis, it does mention that, after the creation, God described His creation as good....閱讀更多

To 雲起 I am impressed that you have done a comparision between Darwin's theory and Christian belief. I will be grateful if you could share this with us.

To Benson Why being personal? Can it help to show you are more logical? Having read your analysis under the topic of time travel, I think you can be a reasonable person. Can you repeat your analysis for the stone dilemma? Please be reminded that 1. I am not the one to prove the omnipotence. 2. It ...閱讀更多

Final final words Although it cannot be considered a happy ending, we have to end somehow. I need to go back to my life next week and the best way is to stop visiting this discussion zone. What are we arguing about so far? 1. How a debate is to be conducted? 2. How to settle the stone dilemma? 3. C...閱讀更多

To S.C. I shouldn't have missed you. If you think what you read is insightful, please express them in your own words for discussion. Don't just accuse others without supporting.

Some final words The way Allan argued (except his final paragraph) is the approach I think Mr Lee should adopt in the debate or the way we should conduct a sensible discussion/debate. By the way, I think his points is not too strong but may require some efforts and time. Anyway, thank you all for yo...閱讀更多

To Benson I really don’t want to step in again. As Newcastle progressed to Phase 2, … I hope this will be the last. Relax! I will make it short. 1. I still don’t understand why you insisted on the “well known fact” question. Have I or other christians mentioned that before? What I did say is b...閱讀更多

To 雲起 You should not seduce me to go back to this topic. Bellamy is fast but not as good as Owen. Owen is an all-round striker. Indeed I think Robert shoots too much. This year, he changes a lot in helping defence. Just miss him so much last Saturday against Arsenal. Viana is definitely outclass...閱讀更多

May I? Having settled one issue, may I join here as a pass-by? Not intend to irritate anybody, may I ask 九方 and/or 倉頡 a commercial product? Having a topic about Chinese culture, do we have a common understanding what Chinese culture is? Does it refer to the social values which most Chinese practise...閱讀更多

To All I just forgot to add "All right reserved!" If anyone want to quote my writing for commercial purpose, a fee (not a nominal one) shall be levied. I am serious!

To Mr Lee Tin Ming I am honoured to witness your participation here in 3 consecutive days. Now, I know that we speak different languages and you are a poet. *** I am sorry Liverpool was knocked out. I sincerely hope Newcastle can go through although their chance is slim. Sir Boby Robson is admirabl...閱讀更多

Bye Bye to All I think now everything is clear and settled. I am glad tonight I can go to bed early. Since I have written something before I realized that, may I post it just as a mark of "ever been here"? *** You mentioned about the proposition of "Earth is round". Let's go back to the age when t...閱讀更多

To Benson Sorry for replying late. I work during daytime but I can only access Internet at night. So that is why. I also want to finish this discussion. Let me try my best. 1. Onmipotence I think this is not my first time to say omnipotence is a not a biblical concept. I don’t see there is any pr...閱讀更多

To S.C. Are we in a debate? If I admit I don't know what the great theories, great presons you mentioned, will I sound like Mr Lee? But, I did read some evangelistic phamphets.

To Benson (3) & ending remarks No more fruit salad. Let’s continue. 3. Interpretation of the Bible Is it an invitation to have a Bible Study? I’d love to. Which book you want to start? How about Genesis? Let’s first read Genesis1:1-2:3. Tell me after you finish your reading. We shall start fro...閱讀更多

To Benson (2) After a break to have some fruit salad, let’s continue. 2. The Debate As I found that you simply repeat what you wrote, I have to follow. Mr Lee is neither logically nor tactically wrong, … BTW, as S.C. and you seems to be of the same team, do you realize that you two have different, i...閱讀更多

To Benson Let’s go straight to the issues. 1. Stone dilemma I think there is a fundamental mistake. Was I required to prove the omnipotence of God? Referring back to the debate, it was Mr Lee who picked it out and tried to counter-prove the existence of God by showing that God is not omnipotent. H...閱讀更多

To All What am I doing right now? What do I want to achieve? Of course, I want everyone to convert to God, the God according to the Bible, both the New Testament and the Old Testament. However, I also know that I can never succeed. As someone suggests, religious belief is all about faith. It is ...閱讀更多

To Benson Nice to meet you. 1. I don’t have the textbook you mentioned. If you wish and are capable of, please explain it in layman terms. 2. I have gone through what you wrote under this topic and that is why I wrote mine. If you think you have answered me, that is fine. So do I. 3. Horner may b...閱讀更多

To 馬雅人 //Your wish?? 你希望世上只有基督教徒才會做善事？ 看來你心地真係麻麻！// You misunderstand my meaning. I said I wish "這裏有人三翻四次强調世上好像只有基督教徒才會做善事". The subject is "有人". The verb is "强調" ... Maybe I am narrow-minded, but it is nothing about 心地.

To 雲起 I agree with your term of “認賊作父”. In our daily lives, if one 認賊作父, his real father is entitled to expel him from home. Back to our discussion, is our Heavenly Father entitled to expel us from our home, the Earth, the Heaven or even the Hell? So, why are you 心寒? You asked me to respect other...閱讀更多

To S.C. Nice to hear from you again. I do hope this time we can have a good discussion. What I said is, to have a fruitful debate, a diligent negative team needs to adopt (and then elaborate & defend) a particular stance (which is different from the affirmative team’s) instead of simply questioning...閱讀更多

To 森 As a Christian, I don’t understand how an atheist thinks. Indeed, I cannot speak on behalf of them. But, I noticed so far from our discussion that there are a number of reasons why people don’t believe in God. First, they think they don’t have the so-called 100% certainty. As I shared previo...閱讀更多

some responses Hi, everyone, it is me again. Since there is quite a number of responses, I don’t know whether I can deal with them all at once. Please remind me if I miss anything. First, 征服者, maybe I quit the discussion on “2>1+1”. I don’t think we will have any meaningful conclusion on this. BTW...閱讀更多

Bye Bye As it seems that there is no more sensible discussion, I think it is time to quit. Thanks for your time and patience. Hope to see you soon.

殺戮神話? It seems that there is a lot of people concerning about the killing records in the Bible. I hope I can help to explain a bit. First, why is there killing instructed by God? Those who have read the Bible may understand that it is due to our sins. However, you may have 2 further questions. (1...閱讀更多

To 田雞教徒 //如果神係至高無上，點會o甘小器？// According to the Bible (Exodus20:5), God said, "...I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God..."

To 好聲萬色男 //聖經只不過係一本殺戮神話// I am sure you havn't read the whole Bible once.

To 時空隱者02:43 //全稱論斷較容易被驗證為錯喔// What is "全稱論斷"? Is this referring to my discusson? If I do not interpret you phase wrongly, what I said is simply arguing a "全稱論斷" is wrong is easier than replacing it with a new "全稱論斷"

To 征服者 Back to your another point. //那他就應該出來給大家看看,// Actually, He did. It is you who refuse to believe. The Bible says Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Besides, you may pray to Him directly. Why do you say praying is not trustworthy but accepting communication via internet with a total s...閱讀更多

To 征服者 Do you mean that Mr Lee has said theism and atheism is equally reasonable? I don't think so. If so, what is his point? I think what he said is as there is not 100% certainty but flaws in Christian faith, so he didn't know.

To 征服者 I don't understand your point. Why "無神論比有神論合理是2<1+1,不是2=1+1"? Okay, let's rearrange (c) to be "2<1+1" or "無神論比有神論合理" But, what difference does it make?

To jetlap Is 封閉系統 mean a closed system, which is self-fulfilling? If so, I think Logics is one of them.

To 征服者 I don't understand your query about "1 + 1 = 2". Maybe, let's start it over. First, we have a proposition of (A) "2 > 1 + 1" or "有神論比無神論合理". A lazy negative team would simply argue (B) "2 並不是 > 1 + 1" or "有神論並不是比無神論合理". However, in my opinion, in order to have a fruitful debate, a diligent n...閱讀更多

To 征服者 It seems that we have reached a deadlock. Right now, I cannot show you the 100% certainty. This will be a prolonged process. However, let's take an indirect approach. What do you think you will suggest to God if He wants to show everyone in this world He is the only God and wants to save us...閱讀更多

//-- When I wrote "some philosophers and their thoughts", I have Karl Marx and communism in my mind (but not Mr Lee, don't worry). --// 你講的是否包括李博士無關重要。 我是在觀察「封閉系統」的思路運作。

To 馬雅人 It is so surprising to hear so many responses so shortly. By the way, welcome for sensible discussion. I think there are 2 points we cannot confuse from what you mentioned. (1) whether God of Christianity is the only God; and (2) whether Christians mentioned by you has done wrongly. To me, (...閱讀更多

To S.C. After reading your responce once more, I think you did give some analysis, the proposition of "2 > 1 + 1" In my opinion, the negative team which simply argue "2 > 1 + 1" is wrong is a lazy team. Instead, a diligent team will try to prove "2 = 1 + 1". If so, the debate is much more fruitful...閱讀更多

To jetlap It seems that you may also want a sensible discussion. Okay, my original message is trying to defend some ridiculous attack. Finally, I add an example trying to illustrate that even though today we don't have the answers to all queries (sincere or not), it would not hurt the christian fai...閱讀更多

To 征服者 It seems that you want a sensible discussion. However, if we do, I will start to preach. In simple words, it is not fair to say our father never shows up. Where do you think our Bible come from? Why did Jesus become a man and died on the cross for us? Why do those christians preach so dil...閱讀更多

To jetlap Wow, there are many late sleepers in HK. Anyway, nice to hear from you too. However, who do you think I am? How can I assure absolute certainty up to your standard? But, is this an universal requirement in every respect, science, arts, medicine, philosophy and/or our daily lives? Is it ...閱讀更多

To 征服者 Nice to hear your reply too. So, if this father resides in HK while his wife gives birth to a child in Shenzhen whom he has no chance to have a look yet, then this father loses the right to be intolerate?

To S.C. So nice to hear your reply. As I said, Mr Lee is not wrong logically. He is just doing nothing but criticizing. But, do you know I think we are the same kind of person? I will take what my God said as turth without demanding any elaboration. So do you to your Mr Lee. What is the reasoning...閱讀更多

There are also some quotes of Mr Lee Tin Ming. Most of them need further information and/or reasoning before a sensible discussion can be done. However, there is one point seems to be very scary. The God of Christianity is very mean. He doesn’t tolerate any gods from other religions. So, God of ...閱讀更多

The Stone Dilemma There is also discussion on the stone dilemma. This logic breakdown is always used to counter-prove there is no God. But this is strange because, first, the Bible itself does not contain the word omnipotence. The term of omnipotence is used by Christians and then philosophers (and...閱讀更多

Debate Having gone through some of the discussion under this topic, I found that it was rather biased to atheism. Being a Christian, I am obliged to share what I know and hope to be able to clarify what was misunderstood so far about Christianity, especially those quotes of Mr Lee Tin Ming. However...閱讀更多