Benson
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Faustus:
//But since the forum is closing soon, let us resume the discussion in October.
//
Sure. Take your time and take care.
See you in October.
To: Iraq
//如某君論據誠然多(對不對題外), 又一而再、再而三、三而...强調自己不重勝負(實在很煩), 我看不過是此地無銀吧了。真正不重勝負的人,不會費時再三提醒各位的。simple as that.
另外也很同意在文字討論上不斷叫對手多讀書也是無必要亦有欠風度涵養的,把論據說清就夠,少出無謂口術技倆好了。 //
「某君」是誰?既然認為自己有理,為何不敢直言?
這次討論是SC勝還是小孩勝,大家心裏有數。
SC是否有欠風度,是否出無謂口術,明眼人也看得明白,不用爭辯。
起碼他光明正大,有話直說,不會說「某君」要怎樣怎樣,「某君」不應怎樣怎樣。
To: JoeJoneS
小弟一向十分敬重你,但今次不駁不行。
//(續...)對於同性戀, 我是覺得有理由反對的.
理由就是愛的互補性, 在同性戀性往往都給否定的. //
有何理據?
真心相愛互諒互重的同性伴侶有何問題?
你要的是心靈互補, 還是性器官的互補?
就算是李先生的「愛情宗教」,也從沒有規定對象一定是異性。
感情最重要的是內涵和質素,不在乎性器官的種類。
After all, 我們全部也是「人性戀」。
PS: reference: 一木 : 同性戀的吊詭
//但老餅由衷覺得小孩沒一般基督徒那么「迷信」,心態也比較開放和願意真心聽聽非信徒的看法。//
Agree.
//李生不此一次勸大家做人處世要多注重禮貌。//
Very agree.
//小孩的一些辨論對手容或有意無意地咄咄逼人,但我估計小孩不會放在心上的。 //
I guess so.
Done.
//香港記者事實上有部份也相當 naive。有些問題真的問得再笨也沒有。//
I can't agree any more than that.
I rememeber on the first day when Nicolas Tse was busted and held custody by the ICAC, his parents went to visit him the other day where they bumped into a bunch of reporters near the exit of the ICAC headquarter building. The ...閱讀更多
You know, sometimes I think given the ugly, selfish and trashed "properties" of human beings, it's not much a pity that they extinct.
PS: Einstein once said that he had no idea what weapons would be used in the Third World War, but for the Fourth, it would be stones and tree branches.
To: Nobody
//If not, I'm afraid we shall not have another 6000-year long of human civilization. This is my belief. It's not science.
//
Another 6000 years? I doubt it if we have another 60 years! The only reason why we are still living here is because all those scums who have the power to press the ...閱讀更多
//其實我想知係咪真事 //
I guess so. But it only applies to some (lucky) people, not all. If the virus is really air borne and the outbreak gets out of control, two things may happen: people may all die or some of them may develop resistance gradually, they survive and the plague will gradually end.
A couple ...閱讀更多
自有人類以來,就有戰爭,從不間斷。也只有人類滅亡以後,才可以有真正的和平。
It’s human nature to destroy themselves.
To: 麻瓜
Who sent the message?
To: Philomena
//董某d idea仲正添: 政府被越多人批評,表示政府0既路線越正確。 //
印象中董某最經典idea(s):
“沒有官員被查辦,証明政府是對事不對人。”
“一個民主政府有問責和透明度,
香港政府有問責和透明度,
所以香港有民主。”
This is equivalent of saying:
“Michael Jackson有胃和肺,
董某老豆有胃和肺,
所以董某老豆就是Michael Jackson。”
President George W. Bush is visiting an elementary school today and he visits one of the classes. They are in the middle of a discussion related to words and their meanings. The teacher asks the President if he would like to lead the class in the discussion of the word, "tragedy." So the illustrious...閱讀更多
PLANE CRASH
An airplane was about to crash; there were 5 passengers on board but only 4 parachutes.
The 1st passenger said, "I am Kobe Bryant, the best NBA basketball player the Lakers need me, I can't afford to die." So he took the 1st pack and left the plane.
The 2nd passenger, Hillary Clinton, sa...閱讀更多
To: Allan
//JPY:“bad” 基因 or species will be extinct via natural selection eventually? So don’t worry but be patient.//
// Allan: According to my understanding of evolution theory, there are no "good" or "bad" genes, there are genes that "adapting to environment" or "not adapting to environment". Gen...閱讀更多
知道喇十三點校長!
1. Attitude problem:
Folks, how do you feel about the followings? Don’t you think he has an attitude problem?
// Before that, I think I need to emphasize that, by saying Buddhism does not 導人向善, I have not shown any disrespect to Buddhism (yet). //
Why did he use this bracketed “yet”? Did he mean “I ...閱讀更多
Holiday? No problemo.
I'll be back.
:)
To: asd
I wrote my previous message just to confirm what I believed and I did. I won’t even call that there is a difference between us; because we are merely using two different definitions of “self-contradiction”: you use the broad definition while I use the legitimate definition.
I agree that thes...閱讀更多
To: K it O
Thank you for your much overstated compliments. I am really nobody compared to those “great thinkers” in this forum.
I definitely will come again in October and we can chat again then . Take care.
Nice to meet you guys.
To: K it O
Thanks for your brilliant summary and 99% agree with what you said.
Where did the remaining 1% go?
Here:
//很難想像比這位daso君的思路更蠢、更胡混的了://
Unfortunatley there are in fact quite a few of them.
:)
To: JPY
//I think what “…必須倚靠神的智慧…不可倚靠、信任自己的判斷…” means
1) if there is any conflict, God’s will shall prevail;
2) if we don’t know (or are not sure about) what God’s will is, ask (or pray) until we know (or are sure) what it is;
It is just like when your parents and/or government ask you to trust the...閱讀更多
To: 小花生
//我唔係食素架
不過我唔食牛同鵝肝同生猛海鮮
有d日子會持素 試過茹素一年, 感覺非常好, 不過搞到差d家變.
軟弱, compromise左好多野! T_T //
往往最傷害自已的就是身邊口口聲聲說「愛你」及「為你好」的親人。
To: asd
//當然,兩者根本不是等同,但「自我推翻 」常包含「自相矛盾」。 //
Not necessarily. Take a look at the following examples:
1. “Language cannot represent truth”.
2. “Truth does not exist in this world”.
3. “說自己默默耕耘”.
4. “You shouldn't judge people”.
5. “You shouldn't count on your own judgment but should solely count on Go...閱讀更多
//你自相矛盾的行為,正正是「自我推翻」!明白麼? //
「自我推翻 」並不等同 「自相矛盾」。
To: JPY
//道: If 道 cannot be described clearly, is it merely another 「邏輯無效域」?
//
Another? You still think there is one?
Where have you been lately? You just got back from 邏輯無效域?
To: 明月
// 相愛、不一定要有相同的興趣;與自己真正相愛的人共處時,......不快樂的愛情,太痛苦了! //
Agree.
//(本來想講得仔細D,不過用個死人手寫板寫咁大段野太痛苦了,重痛苦過不快樂的愛情!) //
Absolutely agree!!:)
PS: are you using 掌心雷?
To: daso
//如果冇神0既話做乜野要去正正常常咁做人呢? //
I don’t see any reason to correlate “to be a normal person” and “God exists”. You wanna elaborate any further?
//只有殺人放火先有好0既生活,先有皇帝式0既享受生活. //
Not necessarily. Are you telling me that all millionaires/billionaires in HK are criminals? There are a lot of successful...閱讀更多
quoted from: http://www.hkmtg.com/forum/detail.asp?TitleID=23178
問﹕美國人口在全世界佔多少比例﹖
答﹕6%
問﹕美國擁有的財富佔全世界多少比例﹖
答﹕50%
問﹕那一個國家的石油蘊藏量最多﹖
答﹕沙地阿拉伯
問﹕那一個國家的石油蘊藏量佔第二高﹖
答﹕伊拉克
問﹕全世界一年的軍事花費有多少﹖
答﹕9000多億美元
問﹕其中美國的花費佔多少﹖
答﹕50%
問﹕根據聯合國的估計﹐美國軍費抽出幾成﹐就可以供應全世界人民的基本生活所
需﹖
答﹕一成﹐即大約400億﹐這是當初美國報復性攻打阿富汗的費用
問﹕二次大戰後有多少人死﹙於戰爭﹚﹖
...閱讀更多
To: Mr./Miss Editor
Dear Mr./Miss Editor:
Do you think it is a good idea to compile the whole forum here and compress it into zip files and make them clickable for download periodically; say, every two or three months?
For example:
from Oct2002 - March2003: xxx.zip
from March2003 - May 2003: yyy.zip...閱讀更多
Taken from news.3home.net:
State of the Union address as delivered by President George W. Bush
【攻伊之態度】
... If this is not evil, then evil has no meaning. Andtonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of Iraq: Your
enemy is not surrounding your country - your enemy is ruling your cou...閱讀更多
To: 小花生
What an excellent site! Thank you.
Mr./Miss Editor:
The following two messages were NOT posted by me. Someone impersonated me. >:(
Please check their IP and ask them to stop pretending to be me.
Thanks.
你要乜有乜
我送埋我個人俾你 ^_^
想
Please post here ^_^
To: 十三點
// 係 ah ,阿李博士果張相最出色咁話呀! //
乜有剗相咩?
To: 平凡人
With freedom of choice = God can’t predict exactly what will happen in advance = God is not omniscient and not omnipotent.
God is omniscient = God can predict exactly what will happen in advance = no freedom of choice = no responsibility for “sins”
Do you get it? You can’t have free will and...閱讀更多
A progress report/summary:
The theme of this thread: is the existence of omnibenevolent Christian God (a mere concept) conflicting with sufferings (a universal fact)?
I think the answer is “YES” while some others think the answer is “NO”.
I tried to illustrate my point by asking the following questi...閱讀更多
To: Faustus
Thanks for your info.
According to Bernard Gert’s definition, an immoral person is one who does harm to others. Any person who doesn’t do harm to others can be regarded as “morally right” (e.g. a capable person who refuses to help victims of a car accident). I think the problem of this d...閱讀更多
To: Faustus
Thanks for you explanation. It’s pretty inspiring. Let me try to sum up:
Morality means not to do harm (= morally right, necessary condition) and to perform moral ideals/good deeds (= benevolent, sufficient but NOT necessary condition).
Suppose X is not related to Y and is not duty bound...閱讀更多
To: 生命之光
//「醫生要得過愛滋,才知道什麼是愛滋,才知道如何醫愛滋。」
回答: 應該是醫生要得過愛滋, 才知道潔身自愛. //
請問你有沒有愛滋? 你是否知道潔身自愛?
//在問本人有關於有沒這樣的一個母親一題上, 本人的答案已經暗藏[直接回答], 解讀方法就是運用邏輯推理, 我說[如果我有這麼一個母親...]
為什麼我只說, "如果...我有", 而不說"如果...我沒有呢? 就已經可以推理出, 我是沒有這麼一個母親. //
請問這是甚麼邏輯推理?
「如果你有一個胃,則你可以消化食物」。那我就已經可以推理出, 你是沒有這麼一個胃的。.
To: 小孩
Although I don’t fully understand what Faustus wrote, I am pretty sure of his stance and I guess you picked the wrong partner.
//Faustus: I, on the whole, agree that the attributes of the Christian God (e.g., omnipotence, omniscience, omnibenevolence) lead to contradictions.
Certainly, the or...閱讀更多
To: Faustus
I must be very lousy. Despite your good English, I find it quite hard to comprehend what you said. I have some queries in mind and I wonder if you could share with me a little of your insights.
In layman terms, morally right means “to do the right thing”, benevolent means “goodwill” or “...閱讀更多
To: 生命的光
//其實你並未有審題的訓練, 所以才會出現此錯誤. //
What is //審題的訓練//?
//上帝是[全知], 誰人進天堂下地獄衪一早就知, 故此, 衪依然[不是]你所形容的自編自導的[導演], 你看得懂嗎? //
No. I am not omniscient but I know that no one understands it but you.
//x君目睹y君自己一人獨自買雨衣給自己. x君就向y君的女朋友預言説:[我知道明天下雨, 你的男朋友一定會穿選擇雨衣, 不拿雨傘在街上走.] 女的雖然聽了, 但不相信. 結果, 第二天她男朋友真的選擇穿了雨衣. //...閱讀更多
//I would appreciate it even more if you could share some more.//
=
I don't want to read. I would appreciate even more if you could spoonfeed me.
To: 生命的光
//從<...思考之上>一書中, 本人對基督教的神學有所研究, 故當李先生談到對基督教教義的批判時候, 一些論証使人難以認同和心服, 你們當中有人可以有信心給予解答嗎? //
一些論証?
Which arguments are not convincing to you? Say it. I am all ears.
//你認為[全能]存在不存在呢? //
No. Omnipotence is logically impossible, period.
To: Bread Pitt
I like your name.
:)
PPS: A supplement.
Whoever makes a claim has the burden of proof of that claim.
If you claim X exists, you have to give evidence to prove it.
If you claim X does not exist, again you have to give reasons to prove its non-existence.
If you claim X exists without giving any evidence while you demand o...閱讀更多
Burden of proof:
Whoever makes a claim has the burden of proof of that claim.
If I make a claim X, I am the one who is required to give evidence to prove X, not anyone else. “I” have to prove X, but not others to disprove X. If I can’t, I cannot say that X is proven.
Examples:
Reincarnation in Buddh...閱讀更多
To: 十三點 & Faustus
Happy Birthday!
:)
To: Rayman
Endorphin is a natural chemical (like morphin) which merely gives you the pleasant feelings. It won’t change the hard fact that there are sufferings in our world.
Some notes on endorphin:
Endorphin, oxytocin and some other hormones/chemicals are responsible for great sensations in our bod...閱讀更多
About John Nash: some thoughts
His story reminds me of something.
His wife put up with his eccentric behavior for years. She divorced him finally but kept taking care of him during the time when he was seriously ill and his life was miserable. What a brave, compassionate and tough woman she is!
Noth...閱讀更多
To: 小花生
//2003-02-23 12:19:57 送比 benson: 願你的一切都不會受到傷害//
You are so sweet. Thank you and same to you too.
:)
To: 小花生
Thanks.
My favorite choices:
禁色,愛在瘟疫漫延時
To: Thirteen-Point
//2003-02-22 14:06:10
to : Benson
:(
//
??
What's going on?
To: 張海澎
// "意義"一詞有許多種不同的意義,
"無意義"一詞也有很多種不同的意義.
有時說一個問題無意義,
意思就是說 "這問題沒有客觀答案//
If this is what you meant, I have no problem then.
//什麼是“ultimate goal”?這也是一個沒有意義的詞語. //
It is? I doubt that.
What if I change it to 終極目標 or 自足價值 Will it be any better?
A friendly piece of advice = 出口術?
Unreasonable, irrational, pointless = Self-justifiable(自圓其說)?
Respect = shut up and believe blindly?
To: 小花生
You know what? I am a big fan of Anthony Wong and Tat Ming Pair.
Thanks for the lyrics.
:)
To: 偉良
// I'm sorry I'm a little confused. How is this relevant to the validity of " '人生的意義是什麼?' 這個問題就沒有意義" ? //
You are right; they are not relevant.
In fact I am also confused. I have to confess that I didn’t have much time to think it through.
A question raised by billions of people over hundreds...閱讀更多
To: 張海澎
//但"人生的意義是什麼?"這個問題就沒有意義。因為我們不知道這個問題要問什麼,不知道這個"意義"到底是相對什麼而言。 //
This is in fact a question asked by millions of people. You think it is meaningless?
To: 十三點
You have problems with your eyes? Have you seen a doctor?
To: Faustus
Thanks.
To: 小孩
//從這個話題的討論過程中,我想大家對彼此的了解又多了一些。//
Agree.
//甚麼時候你能放下「」,那時候你就是「一」個佛教徒了。 //
?? Excuse me?
//p.s.關於death penalty,我們所見總算有點略同。//
See? We do have something in common.
Take care.
To: 小孩
Hi, how's your flu?
What you did is called “偷換概念”.
What we are arguing so far is about whether “omnibenevolent God and sufferings can co-exist without conflicting each other” and you slipped and changed it silently to whether “executing a convicted criminal and hurting his family’s feelings i...閱讀更多
To: 小孩
//我也在等你的答案:if 包公 can foresee a tragedy happens and 包公 can prevent it from happening while 包公 refuses to do so, is 包公 morally right?
按你的要求,請你只答YES或NO好了。 //
NO.
What a simple and silly question!
I don’t see why you think this question is tricky. Didn’t you read SC’s reply on this? I thought you...閱讀更多
Sorry for typos:
Consider your loved one gets robbed by punks and a punch (should be: bunch) of men just stand nearby watching without stopping them;
There are two ways out: either you modify these attributes (I don’t see anything (should be: any reason) why not)
If you still want to twist around th...閱讀更多
To: 小孩
A summary:
I also want to wrap it up. I have done this kind of debate before and I sort of figure out a pattern; and now I know we are approaching the end of it. Let me try to elaborate my views AGAIN and pinpoint those loopholes of your argument. Part of my message may be duplicated and alre...閱讀更多
To: alex
There may be copyright problem. I am not sure whether it is appropriate to post it here. Why don't you check with the editor first. Or I can email you later.
Please leave your email to me.
To: 十三點
Hi. I've just replied your email.
To: 十三點
Very good. How did you find it?
You work for the FBI or something?
:)
To: 小孩
Hi, how are you? How’s the weather on your side? I heard that it is pretty cold, isn’t it? Thanks a lot for your nice summary. You did catch most of my points.
Before we go on, I would like to clarify one thing, something I have said before in another thread; i.e., how do we define a “religio...閱讀更多
To: 小孩
//今晚只可到此為止,待續‥好嗎?//
Sure. Good night.
PS: are you in North America?
To: 小花生
Sorry for the late reply. I've been busy lately. Can we talk about it sometime next week?
Sorry and thank you again.
Happy new year.
Sorry guys, I am kind of busy lately. I probably won’t be able to participate that often. Maybe I’ll simply join in occasionally. I think SC has done a terrific job in this topic. It’s most enjoyable just to sit tight and learn from him. :)
To: ? Another visit
//"You don't believe me?"
"Yes, i dont....閱讀更多
Thank you Mr./Ms. Editor.
To: 十三點
//駝峰同聖母峰既形狀代表我搵左好耐, Benson 個名頭一個英文字母,你地話似唔似山峰呀?可以好有創意咁設計個 B 字駕! //
Haha. Good idea.
//Benson 個中文譯音我話最好叫「稟神」,用離表達佢自己響宗教方面既追尋同反思,就好似爬山咁,有高低起伏既經歷。//
Actually I prefer "賓遜". That is how my friends call me.
//以我睇,Benson 應該係個情深既人//
Yes, you are right.
:)
Thanks.
To: 小孩
Excuse me if my language is not refined enough. I don’t have much time to polish my wordings.
//我說://只想問:可以足夠自圓其說嗎﹝不必要你去認同﹞? // //
What I meant was: 如果真要“自”圓其說, 如果真的“不必要別人去認同”,那你又何必問 “可以足夠自圓其說嗎” 這個問題呢? 自圓其說就是自說自話,當我們問問題時,正正就是要別人認同或起碼要聴聴別人意見,對嗎? That’s why I asked “Are you self-conflicting”? A...閱讀更多
To: Nobody
Quite frankly there isn't much that we can do to stop people from saying garbage.
Why are you so pissed off? It's the lunar new year!
Loosen up or you may end up having a heart attack.
Just ignore those nonsense and focus on sensible discussions. That's the best and only way.
:)
To: Nobody
// Can we work hard together to make this platform enjoyable as well as intellectual?
//
Yeah? Work together how? What's your opinion? Are you suggesting censorship here?
To: 玲, 小花生
Thanks.
//小花生 2003-02-02 18:31:33
喜歡 Blue Balloon J.Brooks //
This is also my favorite song. Do you know where I can find/buy/download it? I've been searching it for years. Thanks.
To: 小孩
Thanks for your quick reply.
//基督信仰從來不逃避苦難問題,好像其他宗教一樣,有她對苦難來源的解釋和提供解脫之道。按基督信仰的思想系統,神是完美,神所創造的世界是完美,神所造的人是完美﹝人性本善﹞。神是善,人離棄神﹝犯罪﹞而惡生﹝人性本惡,從母胎裏己懷惡﹞,這是一切苦難之源頭。神是公義,不能把有罪看成無罪,人必須為罪承受苦難,世界不再完美。神是憐憫,為人定下償還罪債的方法。神是愛,親自來到世間,為人的罪受刑。神是信實,將來必有新天新地﹝另一個完美「世界」﹞為人預備,苦難至此化為無有。 //
I think you’ve come to a dead ...閱讀更多
To: 小孩
//佛教講「善有善報、惡有惡報」,但歷史告訴我們許多事例,善人不得善終,惡人未嘗惡果,那單靠這個善惡錯報的存在能否證明「善有善報、惡有惡報」不合情理?似乎未有所聞,那為何苦難存在可證明基督信仰的神全善全知全能不合情理?//
You forgot reincarnation. According to Buddhist teachings, we don’t live once but enter a continuous life-death cycle until we get “enlightened” like the Buddha. A nice man get tort...閱讀更多
//這部作品是會長久保存下來的。不管別的網頁有多少突然消失了, 在人間蒸發了, 我們這部集體創作都絕不會如此。//
That's fantastic!
Happy new year guys!
God and Americans who can vote.
Bureaucrats of the
Reading this really pisses me off.
From: Apple Daily 24 Jan 2003:
//
死 者 母 拒 接 受 決 控 署 長 疏 忽
懵 仔 針 事 件 懲 署 道 歉
【 本 報 訊 】 懲 教 署 署 長 彭 詢 元 昨 日 就 囚 犯 張 志 堅 在 小 欖 精 神 治 療 中 心 羈 留 期 間 暴 斃 的 事 件 , 主 動 向 死 者 家 屬 公 開 道 歉 , 但 他 否 認 署 方 行 政 失 當 , 只 承 認 有 不 足 之 處 需 改 善 。 死 者 母 親 不 接 受 道 歉 ...閱讀更多
就算在有「明確的量化的定義」或絕不模糊時,「最」也沒有「唯一」或「第一」的意思。
如一班學生參加中文科考試,小明得一百分,小強得九十八分,其餘學生全不足八十分。我們可以說:「小明和小強是班中分數「最」高的學生。」
至於某廣告「可能是全中國最暢銷o既樓盤之一」中的「可能」只是一種保險的說法。李先生也曾經在演說中說過他們那一輩的人「可能」是最後一輩懂得尊師重道的人。這「可能」就是要把後門封了,讓別人無從駁倒。
起碼N個 = minimum N or more than N
N個以上 = more than N; i.e., minimum (N+1)
起碼「N個以上」= minimum (N+1)...閱讀更多
//superb "worm"// ??
超級虫??
但東邪是不怕冷的。
如果辯論對手是美女或李太則又如何?
//小花生2003-01-15 18:21:40
Benson
我send左d teachings比你啦, 但係唔知你收唔收到, 因為個send folder冇左比你個message, 奇怪?
//
Yes I got them. Thanks. I am kind of busy tonight. I'll read them tomorrow. Thank you again.
To: 小花生
//我有宗南嘉楚寧波車的開示想比你, 我個 email係: trinkle2@hotmail.com
你有興趣就email比我啦!
握握手, 做個好朋友 !
//
Sure. That's very kind of you. Thank you.
I already sent you an email.
Thanks again.
To: 小卜子
//2003-01-15 03:38:07
「科學」之定義是甚麼?
一門學問是否科學, 如何界定? //
It must be objective, repeatable, testable, able to predict and explain related natural phenonmena; and must also be falsifiable.
小花生
我信 。
I consider myself as "half-Buddhist". I appreciate Buddha's teachings very much, I read his scriptures, try to follow his ways; but I eat meat. :)
//小花生: 但係殺雞下世會變雞我都係第一次聽, 呢d野最好唔好亂講//
我也沒聽過。
//嘩嘅: 殺李嘉誠下世會變李嘉誠?殺博士下世會變博士? //
「殺雞下世會變雞」中的「雞」可能是指雞的統稱而不是指定的某一隻雞,不一定會變回被你殺了的那一隻雞。
所以殺李嘉誠可能下世只會變成一個人而不一定會變成被你殺了的李嘉誠。
回十三點佛: 對、對、對!
笑話是來自一個加拿大朋友的。說笑罷了,不要那麼認真。
哈哈!有十三點佛在, Benson禪師算甚麼?佩服佩服。
Special High Intensity Training
Subject: Special High Intensity Training
Never let it be said that York University neglects its personnel. In order to insure the highest levels of quality work and maximum productivity from our employees, it will be the policy of the University to keep employees well...閱讀更多
To: 征服者
//事實上我也只是說說有那可能,科學上很多一度被認為不行的事結果還是實現了,因此我覺得我們要抱開放的態度去處理問題,//
Agree. There are infinite number of possibilities in our empirical universe.
Still you need some solid proof or concrete evidence rather than mere possibility to overthrow a well-established theory, don’t you think?
//而就如我最初說的,那只是技...閱讀更多
To: 征服者
//因為測不準原理和波的特性, 可是那也是因為技術的極限才會出現 //
Uncertainty principle says that you can’t measure the position and momentum of a particle simultaneously and accurately (i.e. with absolute accuracy). This is NOT a technical limit. It is NOT practically impossible. It is THEORETICALLY impossible. It does ...閱讀更多
To: 揣摩
//……好簡單, 有沒有看過法庭開審? 當有不同的證人為同一件案件, 同一個細節作供的時候, 會出現什麼事? 就會出現不同的"形容", 注意, 因為一件事發生, 不同人看見會有不同的覆述, 這是角度和不相同的人作供時正常合理的情形.
相反, 如果有倆個人的證供是完全一樣的, 不是反而看出他們是事先[夾定]的嗎? 就是這個意思. //
If you are a judge, how would you feel when you hear something like this:
Witness A: “I saw John killed that woman”;
Witness ...閱讀更多
對我來說, 人生的意義 = 智慧+ 愛情 。 Meanings of life = intelligence + love.
人生在世, 最重要的莫過於提升智慧,安定人生。知識只是對學問的追求,而智慧則是對生命本質的最根本的探索,是思考人生的意義 ( 人生是苦?何為生死,離聚?無常是苦?無我是道? 眾生平等? 追求公義? )。除智慧外,情是人類的靈魂;是人和畜牲最大的分別。愛、情 ( 愛情,親情,友情 ) 是人類最高尚的情操。對受苦難的人慈悲是情的拓展, 教育好下一代則是智慧的延續。可哀的是,現今的人巳經不再重視智慧,思考和愛了。
1+1 =2.
To: JPY
// I haven’t started challenging yet. Before that, I think we need to clarify what Buddhism is all about first so that we have a foundation to discuss, debate and/or argue. //
You better rephrase this paragraph as:
I (COULDN’T) start challenging. Before that, I think (I) need to clarify what...閱讀更多
To: 揣摩
Did you read this thread?
//
一句
2003-01-04 09:13:53 聖經無誤?
比較四福音關於耶穌復活一段:
1) 有什麼人到墳墓那裏?
馬可福音:3個(抹大拉的馬利亞、和雅各的母親馬利亞、並撒羅米)
路加福音:多個(抹大拉的馬利亞、和約亞拿、並雅各的母親馬利亞、還有與他們在一處的婦女)
馬太福音:2個(抹大拉的馬利亞、和那個馬利亞)
約翰福音:1個(抹大拉的馬利亞)
2)有多少個天使顯現?
馬可福音:1個
路加福音:2個
馬太福音:1個
約翰福音:沒有(見門徒前)
3)在那些婦女到達前,墓門是否被封的?
馬可福音:否
路加福音:否
馬太福音:...閱讀更多
Amendments:
Anyone who violates the law of contradiction means he is self-contradictory.
God violates the law of contradiction means God is self-contradictory.
God violates the law of contradiction without being self-contradictory means God is self-contradictory and is not self-contradictory which b...閱讀更多
To: JoeJoneS
Bi-lingual bible on line:
http://www2.ccim.org/~bible/hb5.html
To: Allan
// 多謝Benson好介紹//
You are most welcome.
//很想知道既想挑戰演化論,又想挑戰佛教的JPY如何回應。//
You should have said:
很想知道既不懂演化論又想挑戰演化論,不懂佛教又想挑戰佛教的JPY如何回應。
Don't forget his secret weapon: "bye bye to all".
To: 揣摩
//不知己說了多小遍, 你們總不明白.
人之所以下地獄永受酷刑, 不是因為人不信, 乃是因為你<<犯了罪>>! //
Relax, can't we just discuss openly and peacefully, one step at a time?
Let's put it this way: if you father owes me money and therefore you are required to work for me for your entire life. Do you think it is fair? If your grand fath...閱讀更多
To: Nobel Prize Loser
Oops, sorry for typo.
Thanks for pointing that out.
PS: Nobel Prize Loser = Nobel Nominee?
Last quote: not that lengthy this time, but the most interesting among all. Don't miss it.
Simplified Chinese version at:
http://www.xys.org/~fang/doc/science/evolution/chapter4.txt
You want proof? Read these:
Traditional Chinese version:
//《進化論虛妄嗎?》•方舟子•
第四章、進化在行動
——進化論的實際應用和實例
生物進化不僅僅是一種歷史現象,地球上的生...閱讀更多
If you have time, you can read this. Sorry that it is a bit too long. It may cost you an hour or so but I think it is worth it.
Simplied chinese version at:
http://www.xys.org/~fang/doc/science/evolution/chapter3.txt
Traditional chinese version:
(the figures are misaligned. Please refer to the above...閱讀更多
//JPY: However, frankly, my intention is to challenge them (when I have time). No kidding! //
狂妄!
How can you challenge Buddhism without knowing anything of it? Is it the same tactics you used to challenge evolution?
//小花生: JPY 唔該做吓功課先黎踢館! //
//JoeJoneS: 以我比認識基教還要淺的佛學修為, 4 noble truth =四聖諦, 即"苦, 集,...閱讀更多
To: JPY
//I think we have discussed this before under another "tread"? //
You mean "thread"?
To: JPY
////李天命對此也有作出回應,說神能做了互相矛盾的事卻不互相矛盾是一矛盾的回應//
I just learnt the above statement from anther thread. What does it mean? It sounds more relevant.//
Since you are so reluctant to read Dr. Li’s book, may be I can help you with this.
Anyone who violates logic means he is self-contradictory.
God viol...閱讀更多
To: JPY
//What is the conclusion?//
The conclusion is:
//進化首先是一個科學事實, and 進化論是科學
一、所有的生物都有共同的祖先;
二、每一種生物都是由先前另一物種演變而來的。
//
To: 一句
The essay was taken from Dr. Fang's homepage at
http://www.xys.org/~fang/science.html
There are also plenty of highly readable and interesting essays available. If you are bothered by the Simplified Chinese code, you may use Windows Word to translate it back to Traditional Chinese (that's wha...閱讀更多
// 方舟子- 進化論虛妄嗎?
三、進化論是科學
判斷一個事實或理論是否科學,有一些標準,其中最著名而且已被普遍接受的一條,就是是否能被否證。也就是說,一個科學的事實或理論,必須有能夠被否證(當然也能被證實)的預測,如果它的預測在一切條件下都不可能被推翻,那是玄學或同義反復的文字遊戲,不是科學。非常遺憾地是,這條標準的提出人波普爾曾經認爲進化論不符他的標準,不是科學而對科學研究有指導作用的玄學,在他看來,進化這個事實不具有能被否證的預測,“適者生存”的自然選擇學說不過是同義反復,因而也不可能被否證。即使是波普爾這樣的大哲學家,也曾經誤解了進化論
。
進化論是否能夠有可被驗證的預測呢?完全有可能...閱讀更多
I think we should distinguish between evolution and evolution theories.
Evolution is not a theory, it is a proven fact. It can be observed, tested and falsified. Scientists have widely accepted it as a science for the past century. There hasn’t been a paper with a title “XXXX, a new evidence of evol...閱讀更多
// from: 祝賀所有网友聖誕新年年年平安喜樂, 李天命:
喜歡幽默嬉戲的性格, 底子必屬善良(「不信就要永下地獄永受酷刑」的想法, 才來自心底的地獄)。//
To: Philomena
You are still adopting the classical concept.
//你講0既其實唔單只出現0係量子力學, 其實幾乎日常生活中0既量度, 都會係測不準的。 但係,以上都只不過說明, 人類0係量度「客觀真理」時候0既障礙。 正如你所講,測量時0既活動影響結果,便是一例。 //
Not exactly. Uncertainty principle says that you cannot measure the position and momentum of a particle simultaneously and accurately. ...閱讀更多
To: Philomena
Hi, do you mind if I join?
//故此,真理是獨立於人類對它的理解而客觀存在的, 並不會因人類對他的理解有改變而改變。 //
This is a classical, deterministic point of view.
What about the indeterministic picture of the world?
Suppose I have a closed system and I am going to make a measurement of a certain physical quantity (e.g. ang...閱讀更多
To: Philomena
那是怪(錯)的想法,不是破解法。
To: 十三點
Sorry for replying late. I’ve been pretty tied up for the past two days.
//Benson 呀,你睇左<<英雄>>未啊?//
Yes, I have watched the movie. In fact I watched it right on the first day it was shown. It’s really pretty good if you are not bothered by those fancy, intentional, sort of exaggerated color-t...閱讀更多
To: everybody
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
:)
I don’t think human beings should be classified. To me, all human lives are equally valuable. Call me naïve or idealistic, this is how I feel. No human being is more superior to others and can deprive other people of the right to survive.
Suppose there was a father who raised ten kids. One of them w...閱讀更多
A little summary so far:
I think by now, we are all quite sure where we stand on this matter.
心沉: //我絕對同意,殺人一定係錯既。其實我只係想大家諗諗班學生所做既係咪真係一0的問題都冇,係咪一0的責任都唔使負。…..忽略左佢地行動背後既愚蠢同妄顧後果。 //
東壁: //我認同學生的立場,但不認同他們的方法//, //我也認同中共的立場,=>穏定<=。//, //中共用殺人這個方法我是不認同的,中共可以用更好的方法,但學生亦然,相方都有錯//
征服者: //對錯是看結果的,不是因為有人死了,死的就...閱讀更多
To: 無名
You need maximum benefit for #1.
#1 gains more in:
#1 2 3 4 5
97 0 1 2 0 or 97 0 1 0 2
than
#1 2 3 4 5
96 0 0 2 2
To: Faustus
Let it go man. I guess you and I (and others) already made our points. It’s about time to quit this topic.
To: 征服者
//不是因為有人死了,死的就是對,殺的就是錯,世界是灰色而不是黑白,把世界看成非黑即白的人,就像布殊,只會給世界帶來不幸//
Unlike Faustus, I don’t agree with that. There are black-and-white issues in the world and there are also grey...閱讀更多
To: 十三點
Please read Faustus's, SC's and Robinson's posts.
Theoretically robinson's answer is the right one. However, as pointed out by Faustus, it didn't take into account risk evaulation, bargaining, making deals, double-crossing (which are common for pirates) etc.
Our intial approach was based on ...閱讀更多
To: 十三點
Sorry I think we are wrong. I guess Robinson's answer is the right one. I made a mistake at the bottom and I got wrong deduction all the way up. Sorry.
#1 2 3 4 5
97 0 1 2 0 or 97 0 1 0 2
# 2 3 4 5
98 0 1 1
#3 4 5
100 0 0
#4 5
0 100
To: 十三點
Wait a minute, I thought the rules say //當超過半數的人同意時,按照他的提案進行分配,//, //超過半數// means MORE THAN half. When there are five people, three of them must agree. When there are four, still three of them must agree (half of four is two, more than two means at least three). Similarly, when there are thr...閱讀更多
Follow-up:
Seems like Mr. Leung is trying to make up for what he said.
//…..昨 晚 《 英 雄 》 在 灣 仔 會 展 舉 行 首 映 , 特 首 董 建 華 和 主 唱 《 英 雄 》 主 題 曲 的 王 菲 亦 有 到 場 。 而 梁 朝 偉 更 主 動 接 受 記 者 訪 問 , 似 是 有 備 而 來 的 他 說 : 「 我 係 一 個 演 員 , 唔 係 講 政 治 , 我 講 係 片 中 角 色 殘 劍 意 見 , 唔 係 講 緊 我 自 己 意 見..//
Do you believe him?
...閱讀更多
#1 pirate takes 34.
#2 and #3 take 33 each and
#4 and #5 take 0.
A couple of questions.
Without rationality and critical thinking, how can we tell whether something is said by devil or by God?
When people pray or when they claim they have “special religious experiences” with God, how can they tell that it is really FROM God but not from devil impersonating God?
...閱讀更多
Time travel again? No, it's the Terminator 3 Trailer.
Hi guys. I've just watched the new trailer of Terminator 3, one of the most anitcipated movie in 2003 on the net. It's pretty slick. Anyone who is interested, please come to the following site:
http://www.apple.com/trailers/wb/t3/
To: 十三點
If I were him, I would have said nothing. Either I said “it was wrong” or I would have kept my mouth shut. Even the chief executive of HK has never said something like that. He simply said we should forget about it and move on. I can’t even imagine if there is a way which we can justify tha...閱讀更多
經典中的經典: 梁燕城, JPY, 揣摩
經典中的經典: 梁燕城, JPY, 揣摩
About 梁朝偉 on today's SCMP.
Does anyone read SCMP today? This is what I read:
//Actor Tony Leung Chiu-wai angers rights activists by defending the Tiananmen crackdown.
…..“For example, during the June 4 incident, I didn’t join in any demonstrations, because what the Chinese government did was right –...閱讀更多
To: 張海澎
Sure. I'll see you there.
Thanks.
To: 數學狂
Thanks for your advice. Can I just learn 金鐘罩 and鐵布沙?
To: 張海澎
Sure. Take your time. If you want to end this topic, you don’t need to reply me at all. I don’t want to bother you that much.
Merry Christmas to both of you . :)
To: JPY
1. False accusation.
Where did I say in my previous posts that // to add new feature the stone in question is unreasonable because it is a task that normal beings are not able to achieve//? Quote it. To create a stone which the creator can not lift is something that a normal human being can ...閱讀更多
著制﹖
Never heard of it.
To: 張海澎
Imagine we are tiny little insects or whatever small creatures living in the two dimensional world. How do we perceive and describe this empirical world?
How do we define and describe space? We define the Cartesian co-ordinates system: two axes x and y range from negative infinity to positiv...閱讀更多
Hi everybody.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you. Cheers. :)
To: 張海澎
I think we have narrowed down pretty much of our differences. Thank you for your enthusiasm on this topic.
You said “time” is merely a conceptual system. I doubt that. You said when we say about “time flows in one direction” we are not describing the empirical world. I doubt that very much. ...閱讀更多
To: 張海澎
My lover taught me this: when you are confused, always go back to the basics and start over. Let’s get back to the basics.
Is time travel logically possible?
======================
Case I: Time flows unidirectionally, from the past to the present. There is no turning back. We are at the pres...閱讀更多
Yes, I meant "typo".
Sorry for that. I didn't sleep well last night.
I like discussing in this forum too.
Sorry for topo:
“HKU has four different libraries”
To: 張海澎
//張海澎 2002-12-04 22:26:14"過去已不復存在,未來尚未存在,我們是生活在現在的時間點上"這是分析地真的句子。它是根據"過去"、"未來"等詞的意義而真。故從這個前提出發證明時間旅行不可能,不是竊取論題。時間旅行不可能是隱藏在上述前提中,我是從明顯的分析句推出不明
顯的分析句。 //
Did張海澎commit the fallacy of begging the question?
What is 分析地真的句子? Take a look at the following example:
“A bachelor is a man who is not mar...閱讀更多
To: 張海澎
First I want to start out by clarifying that it was not my intention to play dumb or to tease or challenge you. I do respect you in all regards. All my discussions and questions are serious. They are no jokes.
Since JPY is still hiding somewhere, I have more time to spend on this interesting...閱讀更多
To: 張海澎
First I want to start out by clarifying that it was not my intention to play dumb or to tease or challenge you. I do respect you in all regards. All my discussions and questions are serious. They are no jokes.
Since JPY is still hiding somewhere, I have more time to spend on this interesting...閱讀更多
To: 張海澎
Thank you very much for your reply. I know you are busy (and very popular as well), so may be I’ll make it quick.
//張海澎 2002-12-02 18:33:13
答2: 本來在過去的時間裏不存在著現在的你,但當你回到過去時,在過去的時間裏就存在著現在的你,這不自相矛盾嗎? //
Why is it that //本來在過去的時間裏不存在著現在的你//? How do you know?
When you were a kid, you saw many diff...閱讀更多
A supplement.
I am still waiting for JPY’s reply. I hope this time he is really resting but not avoiding.
The root of the problem lies in the stone dilemma. So I dug up his old message on this topic and tried to re-think what he was trying to say. I went through the message line-by-line to see if I ...閱讀更多
To: 張海澎
Hi, sorry to interrupt. I am a layman in logic. Frankly I don’t quite understand your proof. I have a few questions in mind and I wonder if you can kindly spare a few minutes and answer them? (Please don’t laugh as they may appear foolish to you).
(1). //張海澎2002-12-01 23:26:19 過去已不復存在,未來尚未存在...閱讀更多
Just wanna scribble down some thoughts before JPY answers my questions.
If you are observant enough, you will notice that JPY has great difficulties understanding the method of “reduction to absurdity”. Also there has been great change of JPY’s attitude towards the term “omnipotence”.
//JPY 2002-11-...閱讀更多
To: JPY
Any proposition which is self-contradictory must be false and is logically impossible. Any proposition which is not self-contradictory is logically possible.
Now look at what you said:
//a. To prove God is omnipotent; and
b. To show there could be no self-contradiction in your analysis if Go...閱讀更多
To: 雲起
此石非比尋常,它是火石,接觸一久會令人「發火」。而且硬度驚人,是千年頑石。電鑽也不管用,最好用炸藥。
To: JPY
//Thank you for your willingness to answer my questions first. //
Don’t mention it.
//1. You said you understand I am not to prove the omnipotence of God but now you accuse me of trying to prove the omnipotence of God. Why? //
I said I understand that your INTENTION was not to prove the omni...閱讀更多
To: 時空隱者
// 假如上帝=100%的宇宙呢?假如「時間」這觀念對「上帝」沒有效呢?//
Please explain.
基督徒應如何面對李天命的挑戰?
Taken from:
http://www.christiantimes.org.hk/Content.asp?ID=6935&PaperID=0001
See if you are interested to read this:
基督徒應如何面對李天命的挑戰?
──回應梁科慶
關啟文
浸會大學宗哲系
李天命曾用兩個問題質疑神的概念:一、無所不在的神是否在我們的耳朵、大腸之內?二、無所不能的神能否造一塊祂舉不起的石頭(參《李天命的思考藝術》)?梁科慶君在《時代論壇》第六三一期揣文回應這兩個問題(〈信仰不是辯論賽噢—-答《李天命的思考藝術》中兩個問題〉,我也同...閱讀更多
To: JPY
//So, maybe both of us have problem in writing. // Oh really? I don’t think so.
//You mean that the affirmative team can never use the omnipotence premises in their analysis simply because they are the affirmative team. Is that what you mean? // Yes.
//If so, is this a rule for debate or a r...閱讀更多
To: JPY
// JPY, 2002-11-13 23:12:22 Bye Bye to All; 2002-11-15 01:32:24 I really don’t want to step in again;
2002-11-15 01:43:51 Some final words; 2002-11-16 17:00:39 Final final words
Although it cannot be considered a happy ending, we have to end somehow. I need to go back to my life next week an...閱讀更多
To: Philomena
Thanks for your comment.
We both agree that determinism is a premise if time travel is to be logically possible. I think we only have some subtle discrepancies on the words we chose. As I mentioned before, determinism is the way to free us from all those crazy, contradictory scenarios....閱讀更多
About time travel: some thoughts and a little summary
The atmosphere was extremely tense and hostile a few days ago. I'm glad to see that now hormones are dumped and I am more relaxed to join the discussion. Let’s summarize what some of you said and add a bit of my own thoughts.
A. Approach:
By “tim...閱讀更多
太 太 有 錯?
Hi, let's forget about "time travel" for a moment. I found this article a few months ago.
Don't take it seriously, let's have some fun.
公 益 金 前 主 席 余 錦 基 與 太 太 鄺 桂 萍 前 晚 假 麗 嘉 酒 店 舉 行 三 十 周 年 珍 珠 婚 紀 念 晚 宴 。 晚 宴 上 每 桌 都 放 了 一 張 余 錦 基 肺 腑 之 言 的 「 順 妻 六 大 守 則 」 , 所 述 內 容 搞 笑 之 餘 , 亦 盡 顯 他 對 嬌...閱讀更多
Hi, do you mind if I join your discussion?
For the story between Kwok and Wong: In fact, Kwok had once turned down the opportunity to marry Wong in exchange to save lives of thousands of innocent people. Wong was disapppointed and that pissed her off for quite a while. So, Kwok definitely will defen...閱讀更多
//You paid your money and time, right ? //
Wrong.
I didn't pay my money AND time. I paid my money and I SPENT my time.
Well in fact I didn't spend that much of my time on this book.
Anyway, it's a stupid mistake. I admit it. I am not a saint. I don't need to be right all the time. Besides, it's not ...閱讀更多
I have the book. It's crap, plain rubbish. Almost 30-40% of the content are quotes from Dr. Li's books. Can't image why someone will like to make a fool of himself.
小弟真的不會對聯,而且中文實在太差,勉強一試。各位請勿見笑。
"飄雪落日賞飄雪"
有誰能對
"食包包食飽"?
To: Ricky
I am lost here. What you quoted in your first paragraph is the famous "twin paradox": two observers experience different time scales in different frames of reference. What's that got to do with time travel to the future?
To: 旁觀者
多謝高人提點,謝謝.
To: SC
Let’s put an end to this topic, shall we? I don’t think he worth our attention any more.
You are a respectful and kind man. I agree with most of what you said except for one thing: I don’t think this JPY guy is gonna change. I have seen people like this before. Most of them are REPEAT OFFENDE...閱讀更多
The main point of this discussion is :do you have any proof of what you said? Do you have any scientific findings,literature or studies which verify that "primary school girls are on average smarter than primary school boys"? If so, it is reasonable just like it is reasonable to separate male and fe...閱讀更多
To: 森
I think you are much better than JPY. You have advantages: you read and, most important of all: you listen. After you have read the debate, how do you feel about the followings:
//森:2002-11-07 12:34:09, To: 心沉 and his fans (雲起、閑人和01:45)
辯題是「相信神的存在是更合理嗎?」相方都根本沒必要證實神是存在不存在。反方反對什麼?反對「相信神的存在是更合理」,...閱讀更多
非常同意。
To: JPY
//I think now everything is clear and settled. //
uh??? How’s that?
You still haven’t answered my question. Don’t divert attention by switching the topic. Let me rephrase it once again, “If, as you mentioned previously, the existence of omnipotent God is a well known fact like “the earth is ...閱讀更多
To慕道者, SC, 雲起, Dr. Li : You people are right. I give up. Seems like I’ve done a pretty lousy job. I should have known and stopped days ago. Just a few questions left to JPY.
To: JPY
// I think this is not my first time to say omnipotence is a not a biblical concept. I don’t see there is any problem ...閱讀更多
To: 漢人
Man it took me 15 minutes to type this:
好啦好啦!
我盡量用中文啦!
不是討論復興中國文化的嗎?
Sorry, I don't know Chinese input method and I don't have a Chinese writing pad/pen (?) with me. So in the mean time I can only chat in English. What's the big deal?
To: 雲起
Sorry to disappoint you, but I guess I'll quit this 對牛彈琴 soon. Afterall, I've done my part. Life is too short. I can't spend the rest of my life doing this sport. There are still a lot of things which worth my attention.
To: SC
You are right. There are things which simply can’t be done. I rather teach a child quantum mechanics. Now I understand why Dr. Li seldom reacted to these CHALLENGES. I am pretty exhausted.
Thanks for your info. I made it to the news groups. I’ll try to join the discussion if I have time. JPY ...閱讀更多
Dr. Li:
Thank you for your comments.
Sorry for the typing mistake.
The sentence which I intended to say in my ending remarks should be "There is no sound evidence which shows that religious people are more morally right or more willing to help others". My apology.
To: SC
I agree with you. That's exactly what I am feeling right now.
I have problems entering your news groups. How should I do it? Should I just type in the address?
Should I just click
http://news.3home.net/3talk.christianity
It didn't work.
Please advise.
PS: excuse me for being awkard. Are you t...閱讀更多
To: JPY
Wow, we have an active, outspoken Christian on the show! Nice to meet you too. Welcome on the net. Let’s see how good you are in our discussion.
1. On stone dilemma: Begging the question
I didn’t say it is a textbook. I said it is a “textbook example” of a logic fallacy. The fallacy is calle...閱讀更多
To: JPY
A few short words.
1. Stone dilemma
//Suppose God was asked this stone dilemma once again, but I think this is too easy, so I add some more restrictions on this creation exercise. The stone needs to be,
1. so heavy that God is unable to lift up; and
2. so big that God is unable to hold……
Now...閱讀更多
Hey, how come there is another benson chatting?
//sign...... //
Didn't you mean sigh?
To: 森
//(一)「相信神的存在是更合理嗎?」的相反論題是「相信神的存在不是更合理嗎?」 這「更」字似乎令到兩者都是合理,只是程度上不同,沒有相反的意思。//
The topic is a proposition which says 相信神的存在是更合理, If this 「更」bothers you, let’s change it to有神論比無神論合理. Is it better? Remember this is a proposition, not a question. A proposition is a statement which is either true or ...閱讀更多
To: 森
Let’s calm down for a while and discuss what we want to discuss, shall we? I think we can gain much more if we can spend time sharing our thoughts rather than fighting among each other. It’s a good chat room. Let’s not spoil the mood with anger or hatred, just focus on the SUBJECT MATTER. OK?
...閱讀更多
To: 轉載者
Hi, just curious, were your Bible quotes taken from 方舟子?
To: 雲起, 一木, 時空隱者
My apology for the ambiguity. The last few paragraphs (written in Chinese) of my previous discussion were taken from Dr. Li’s lecture in the HKU (思考三式VS三大盲潮). I should have stated more clearly. It’s merely my mistake. Sorry and it won’t happen again.
To: 森
Forgive me for being slightly lengthy.
You gave me a strong impression that
1. Moral standards and religion are related
2. Christians, to a certain extent, are more capable of loving others and less likely to do evil deeds.
For (1), as I said before, they are not necessarily related. I don’t s...閱讀更多
Hi, I am also an atheist. This is quite an interesting topic to me. Do you mind if I join your discussion?
可是,無神論者的道德準則是如何建立的?「良心」沒有一套觀念去比照,是否意味是生而有之的?
I think atheists, like anyone else, have their own moral standards. Conscience and religion are quite separate issues. You don’t need to be a Christ...閱讀更多
Re:同性戀的吊詭
Sorry I am not proficient in typing Chinese characters. So I’ll try to answer in English if you don’t mind. Also excuse me that I wrote this in a rush and my language may not be polished and refined. I’ll try to deal with this topic as straight-forward as possible and make it less controve...閱讀更多
>Here I only want to offer a conjecture: ultimately, some of the "foundational" beliefs (including the so-called analytic truths) cannot be justified, or they are only justified by our "intuition"
Sorry you lost me. Could you elaborate a little bit more (in layman terms perhaps) please?